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Default Duel - 19-05-2020, 13:05

Why is Duel disabled?
It's not real PVP out of Duel.
Without Duel, the game uses PVM formulas, where players defence is halved. Your opponent is considered as a monster and the following formula is being used:

PVM: [Reiceved dmg] = [opponent attack] - [player defence]/2

(with LMB hit, no skill, no imp, no wings etc)

I tested it and can confirm it.
My friend had 557-775 dmg, I had 1022 def and he deals 264 crit dmg with LMB to me. Crit damage is always your max dmg value x1.
So 775-1022/2=264, exactly what we see in game.

This means that my real defence is not 1022 but 511, and this devalues the Agility stat by a lot! It is not worth putting stats in Agility!

Please enable Duel command, so we can duel and test our characters with real stats, not PVM stats.

PVP: [Reiceved dmg] = ([opponent attack] - [player defence]) * [% skill dmg] * [increase %dmg]
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Default 19-05-2020, 14:45

The duel is disabled because characters are immune while are in duel in this version, and they can use duel to kill bosses while they are immune.
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Default 19-05-2020, 14:55

Yeah, I somehow forgot about that... makes sense. Thx for answering.

Maybe we can find a workaround to enable duel? Maybe only in certain maps, certain places? Or try to disable immunity.

Is Guild War also disabled?
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Default 19-05-2020, 15:20

The problem is, having defence halved, many things lose their value.

Why would I invest stats in Agility if it's better to just putt all in Vitality?
In this situation, BK has big advantage against other characters, because he gets 3 HP for each point in Vit.

Besides that, the strongest and rarest option in the game, becomes worthless. What's the point in haveing "ignore defence" when all opponents have 0 defence and max HP?
Items with ignore defence become ineffective against opponents with low def.


The best solution would be to make the game use the correct formula when attacking a player. Or just make it always use the correct formula, and edit monster damage (make it x2).

But I honestly don't know how easy it is to edit this formula in this version.

PVP out of Duel is not real PVP :(

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Default 19-05-2020, 15:58

Ask DarkMaster in this thread to find a solution.
https://darksteam.net/threads/darkst...beta-13.21354/


he is the developer of the files.
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Default 19-05-2020, 19:32

Hope he will answer.

This is also a problem for characters that put debuff on opponents defence.
For example MG. Fire Slash reduces opponent's defense by x%.
But if opponents defence is already low, the effectivenes of Fire Slash debuff will be also low.
All this is caused by the fact that investing stats in agility and defence does not help to survive. Therefore, everyone gose for High Vitality, High Damage and low Defence.

In other words, having a proper Duel System is important for game ballance. But even better, wold be to remove defence halvening entirely. Let players have their real defence everytime and just increase monster attack power.
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Default 20-05-2020, 13:36

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Originally Posted by Rayden View Post
Hope he will answer.

This is also a problem for characters that put debuff on opponents defence.
For example MG. Fire Slash reduces opponent's defense by x%.
But if opponents defence is already low, the effectivenes of Fire Slash debuff will be also low.
All this is caused by the fact that investing stats in agility and defence does not help to survive. Therefore, everyone gose for High Vitality, High Damage and low Defence.

In other words, having a proper Duel System is important for game ballance. But even better, wold be to remove defence halvening entirely. Let players have their real defence everytime and just increase monster attack power.
If you find any bugs you can write them in their thread.
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Default 20-05-2020, 14:42

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If you find any bugs you can write them in their thread.
It's not really a bug, it's just balancing decisions. MG having disadvantage out of Duel is just an example.
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